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Flying Report
#1

Hi guys,

Thought I would break with tradition and start a new thread for reporting on any day's flying rather than post on the end of the "flying this week" or "flying this weekend" threads.


Well, the weather forecast didn't look too promising yesterday but for the early risers this morning, today didn't start that badly at all. Rather nice actually.

I got the field around 8.40am and found Gazza there already setting up.

Wayne arrived with Rob, Darren, Jason, Victor, Joe (newbie) and later Kieran. A fantastic day all weather forecasts were predicting rain.

Darren flew the mini Titan 325 patched up over night to the Futaba T10. Flew brilliantly straight off. Gotta be happy with that!!

Wayne gave the Thunderbolt a workout with Gazz on umbilical. A bit twitchy but flew like a demon.

Jason gave ol' faithfull "Extra no.1" the usual routine. No issues there.

I gave the Logo-a-nogo-a-gogo two excellent flights. Real happy with this bird now that issues are sorted. Only issues is having two batteries. Need more batteries. The remainder of my batteries were discharged through the Trex500 which flew flawlessly as usual. That Logo has balls. Two hard collective pitch "pumps" didn't create any bogging at all. Whoa!!!

Gazz took the Su (number something) for a long awaited re-maiden. Despite the forward swept wings, ducted vectored fans and canards, they couldn't over come a battery that lost its mojo from sitting around charged for 9 months. Two take-off rolls in to the long grass eventually saw the Su (number something) go back in to the car. Glad to see it living again for another day.

Kieran arrived with the Stryker. Hyped up to the max, we realised if this bird landed without an issue, something was wrong. True to form the Stryker couldn't handle the high speeds and had a wing fluttering moment that saw it hit terra firma in the blink of an eye. Outlook for the Stryker not that great considering the reciever went through the prop. Out with ol' faithful T28 and all was good again. I noted Kieran deliberately knicking the tops of weeds and reeds for kicks. Man that guy is good!!

Rob, despite arriving no.3 this morning, decided to take the Soaring Star for a blat about midday. 20 seconds later, the prop spat it and saw Rob calculating runway length and approach speed rather rapidly. A hard landing later, Rob got the SS back to the pits without too much drama. Out with the HK Pitts, two sessions, and all was well.

Eventually we ran out of batteries and called it a day. I sincerely hope tomorrow is as good as today. Already, the wind forecast has dropped considerably. May the flying gods smile on us again tomorrow (or Tuesday if Monday doesn't quite work out).

I have no photos so apologies for the "texty" report.

Dave
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#2


Nice report Dave, couldn't have asked for a better morning weather wise either
Smile


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#3

Well written Dave, a bit texty is sometimes needed for a full report. Painted a big picture for all absent readers. "A bit twitchy but flew like a demon", me or my bird ??????. A lot twitchy and demonically posessed by the greenie bug that forces the thumbs to push left when right is needed. A short break courtesy of the umbilical, the heartrate resumed a less feverish pace & left became left again. Hopefully Gazz'ses lesson on setting the TX expo and the twitches may be less evident. Thanks Gaz for yet another lesson in this big learning curve towards my novice wings.

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#4

Good report Dave!

Absolutley gutted by the Stryker failing.

For those that didn't get to see it fly, It had some massive control surfaces and huuuge throws. It was also quite tail heavy. This made for extreme high alpha performance and very crazy sharp turns. I had to have 90% expo just to get it to a flyable state. I was almost able to get it backflipping (Whilst flying forwards) and had it survived its 2nd day flying I am confident I probably would have had it downpat.

I'm running my old Skyfun power setup which pushed a much heavier airframe around the sky quite quickly so you can imagine what it did with a Stryker! The caveat was that it developed some high speed flutter (As it approached the sound barrier! :P ). We thought this to be a byproduct of a gap between the elevons and fuselage, well I sealed that up and on the first run of the day I got catastrophic flutter at a much lower speed which broke the clevis' and ended up with the stryker nosing in and somehow feeding the rx to the motor!

Seeing that the F27Q is due out soon with similar aerobatic performance, I've decided to temporarily retire the mega stryker in lieu of something else (Another impulse buy!) to tie me over till it arrives
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#5

Good to see a few flyers down today enjoying some sun. Bumped in to Gazz who was inspecting the field but did not bring any planes. He was hoping to catch up with Steve M who arrived 20 minutes after Gazz left. Dang it!

Conditions A1 for the helis so I managed to getting some flying in. Still flying some orientation flights on the logo before I start some aerobatics.

John (Still_Flyin) arrived with two planes... both doomed. Steve (Samste) arrived with his Stryker. Flew like a demon as usual. Steve M and Kev B arrived followed by Darren on his mountain bike. Flying and talking then took place for another hour until John H ran out of planes (victims of the "Tucks Road Triangle".

We packed up around midday. Given the wet conditions underfoot, I guess I shouldn't have been surprised by the hundreds of ants that invaded my helis and my bag. Took a while to get rid of them.
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#6

... Yes, good report again Dave - and to follow on ...

After squelching around our soaking field (I haven't seen even the higher ground so water-logged in a long time), Owen and I decided to put a battery each through our PZ P-51D which flew beautifully as usual. Dave's large heli was in the air as we walked back from the car and it sounded very impressive. It's got a kind-of heavy authority when it beats the air which makes you realise that it ain't mucking around.

KevB, Owen and I then decided to take a run out to Penrith - SteveB thought it was a good idea too, just for interest's sake. We arrived out at the PEMAC field gate just as one of the regulars was leaving. It was good timing as he decided to let us in and then escort us down the dirt track to the field proper. We got there to see some familiar friendly faces from our day at the Blacktown fly-in. A very neat setup they have there! The field is fenced off, but their flying area extends well beyond the fenced area - a reasonably large flying zone is on offer (actually, very large compared to our own, of course). They have a single runway which was in very good condition, although plans for a cross-strip are in the pipeline. As well as doing the fencing themselves, they've brought in several truckloads of road-base/gravel and paved their car-park with it. We were made very welcome and got straight into the flying - Owen and I put another two batteries each through the Mustang, SteveB put his glider up (also had his Trojan there too, can't remember whether he flew it though) but his JetTiger and Funjet stayed in his car because of the noise restrictions. KevB flew his Mustang about. There was only occasionally a light breeze through and even though their field is also within a flood-zone, it was perfectly dry and in superb condition.

It was very interesting - great blokes, an excellent field and ideal conditions. It won't be the last time we head out there for an afternoon.

Highly recommended: Star Star Star Star Star

Steve Murray
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#7

Sounds like a nice spot Steve
Dont suppose you took any pics.
I arrived at our field this morning hoping to catch up, re your post from yesterday. After looking at the water damage, chating with the guys and waiting for OVER an hour and a half for you and Kev, I left.
Glad you guys had a good day.

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#8

Jeez - sorry Gazz. Dave mentioned that you'd been waiting for us to get to the field, we were moving even more slowly than usual this morning - I didn't realise you were there.
We completely forgot to take some photographs out at PEMAC Frown Didn't even think of it until you mentioned it in your post above - sorry about that too. But, I do recommend a visit out there.

Dave indicated you were wanting to talk about the 50mm EDF T-33 - is that right? If so, then perhaps we should start a forum thread on these little machines and swap a few ideas. If you let me know when you're next going to be at the field, I'll make sure I'm there - I'll put the T-33 and the MiG-15 into readiness and you can have a fly of them both.

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#9

Thanks Steve
Apology not necessary mate, Was thinking about going out to Penrith with you guys but saw your post to late last night to reply.
I ordered a T33 today but wanted to know how big the battery cavity was.
It is no biggy HK is out of stock of everything that might fit. So I will wait until it arrives to determine which batteries I purchase. Have you flown it yet and if so do you think an extra 30 grams would affect its flight characteristics to much.

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#10

Hi guys good report as usual Dave.
I see some of you are looking at the 50mm edf planes now.
Don't know if you are aware but Mark at Extreme RC in Melbourne is also
selling them. Here is is webpage.
http://www.extremerc.com.au/estore/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_234_254

Don't know how these compare to HK in price but you may find something in stock there
that HK has on backorder

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#11

OK Gazz - I'll measure up the cavity and get back to you.

When I was at HK Caringbah yesterday with Owen, one of the two blokes in the shop told me that they were expecting their next big shipment of LiPos mid-May and he mentioned the smaller sized batteries (1000 mAh) specifically. I expect the Aus warehouse would be receiving part of the same shipment.

As for the extra 30g - difficult to be sure, but I suspect that it wouldn't be too much of an issue. The stock battery we got with our T-33 was an 850 mAh 3S 20C job and we've since tested the plane out with a 1050 mAh 3S 20C Rhino. Not sure what the mass difference was there (I'll measure it later) but some of the blokes on RCGroups reckon they've been putting 1300 mAh batteries in, which suggests an extra 30g isn't likely to be a big problem.

When we were at Blacktown, I thought Kieran said that the bloke flying the blue T-33 there was "Cloaked" from RCGroups, but when I messaged Cloaked and asked him which batteries he was using, he said he wasn't at Blacktown, so it must have been a different guy. Bit of a shame because I'd like to know what he was using - it was certainly providing the necessary "zip" on the stock setup. I might still be able to find out who the guy was though, because he was mates with "Mr Kamikaze" (the Precision Aerobatics guy) who I know I can contact.

Anyway, I'll get back to you when I've done a little more digging here.

Steve Murray
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#12

(01-05-2011, 09:36 PM)paulj Wrote:  I see some of you are looking at the 50mm edf planes now.
Don't know if you are aware but Mark at Extreme RC in Melbourne is also
selling them. Here is is webpage.
http://www.extremerc.com.au/estore/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_234_254
Yeh, thanks Paul. Mark's pricing is competitive for an Oz supplier - Owen and I got the JPower RTF T-33 (with battery) direct from XFlight in China and it was AUD $102 on our doorstep. Mark is selling the same ones, less battery (and postage from Melbourne) for AUD $108 which isn't too bad because the stock battery wasn't much chop anyway and I'm sure Mark is selling better ones.

Steve Murray
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#13

I decided to nip across to the field this afternoon for a quick couple of circuits before sun-down. I got there at about 4:45pm, which left about half an hour before Willy said the sun would set. There was a bit of a breeze when I first arrived, but it dropped to almost nothing soon after.

Put two batteries through the P-51 and learned something: When handlaunching the plane myself (unfortunately, I was alone as Junior was at work) I had to decide whether to throw it left-handed and keep my right-hand on the elevator/aileron stick (being mode 2 of course) or hurl it right-handed and then grope for the stick in the first half a second it was getting away. For the first and only time in my life, I could see mode 1 having an advantage!
I decided to go with the first option and wind up the throttle with the transmitter on the ground then pick it up and launch left-handed. Being naturally right-handed, my left-handed throws were pretty wimpy and the plane would torque-roll to the left after letting it go. The solution was to resist the thought that it really needed full throttle on take-off, because it doesn't. A much smoother start to the flight resulted. I know this is all common knowledge to the "old hands" but to right-handed, mode 2 learners it was not all that obvious at first.

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#14

That's exactly the reason I have been getting you and other to throw my
stang, especially when you upgrade the motor like I have.
I've been carefully watching just what throttle setting I should use to
hand launch myself and with my motor I reckon anything over a touch more than
half throttle will very quickly result in a nasy roll to the left.
Another problem with our stangs is that it is difficult to hold
it steady with one hand when it's under power as your hand is behind the
balance point and the plane wants to drop her nose.

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#15

Lol Steve

Heh at least you got it right and got the plane up in the air.
i actually put a plane in the truck today thinking also coming down this afternoon as i drove past about 430 pm but decided against it as the stomach was telling otherwise since i missed lunch today.

I might head down tomorrow afternoon if the field is in better shape.
As i wanted to give the glider a thrashing on full throttle to see how the motor goes as i increased the air intakes and rear outtakes to get some improved air flow hoping to keep the motor a bit cooler.

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#16

That's why I learned to fly planes on Mode 1 and perhaps why Mode 1 is so popular. Can't launch the plane right handed unless the left hand can control elevator.

I switched to Mode 2 to fly helicopters. No hand launching needed and Mode 1 for helicopters seemed so odd.
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#17

Thanks for the input chaps! Yes, Kieran does it all the time and makes it look easy, which is why I'd not given the matter much thought before I had to.
You're right Paul, an up-rated power-train would make it even more of an issue.

Another thing which I thought of when I got home was to give it a couple of clicks of right-roll trim (and maybe a couple of up-elevator too) before launching and then remove them when at a safe height. I'm going to try that next time.

Steve Murray
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#18

(Sorry, thread hijack...)

So how many of the fixed wing flyers out there are mode 2? I know BrotherBlonde is mode 2. Andrew takes off from the deck though. I recall Mick (Kedumba) is mode 2 as well but like Andrew, no hand launches.
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#19

P-51 will fly from an under arm toss no sweat, just half throttle and a slight drop/nudge forwards is all it takes. Most Parkzone's will fly like that.

Steve, Don't forget that I learnt to fly with a Stryker, I've been hand launching for about 5 years now!
One thing I picked up early on was to make sure I follow my chuck right through to the elevator stick. Practice that a lot and it will all become second nature.

Seriously guy's, try under arm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0jCz0j1LDo

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#20

The real trick is to learn to use just the right amount of throttle.

Issue 1.
Not enough and the bird losses altitude quickley which causes an automatic brain response that triggers adding a heap more throttle which then induces massive torque roll which has other consequences etc etc etc.............. Regain control - yeeha....... Lose control - oops.

Issue 2.
To much initially and the torque roll is terminal unless you have the reflexes of a startled Gazelle.

I wouldn't change my trim for take off Steve. I would spend more time and thought learning exactly how much throttle you need to apply for the most neutral hand launch.

Not trying to sound like a genius mate just trying to help you get your hand launches down.

Throttle position is everything with aircraft that need airspeed over the wings to fly.

Gazz

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#21

Gday, I have a little ultra micro P51 that takes off from the road outside home. I do hand launch it though, when I need to, in the manner Steve mentioned. The thing has very little torque however, so there's not much roll to worry about.

I haven't tried hand launching the heli's yet.....I'll keep you posted. Smile

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#22

(04-05-2011, 09:13 PM)brotherblonde Wrote:  Gday, I have a little ultra micro P51 that takes off from the road outside home. I do hand launch it though, when I need to, in the manner Steve mentioned. The thing has very little torque however, so there's not much roll to worry about.

I haven't tried hand launching the heli's yet.....I'll keep you posted. Smile

LOL
I loved to see a Helli Hand Launch, Though I think it would be Scary.
Unless you throw it like a dlg Glider or better still i like to see a Helli Bungee launch. Now that would Impress me Biggrin

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#23

(04-05-2011, 09:00 PM)Skidz Wrote:  I recall Mick (Kedumba) is mode 2 as well but like Andrew, no hand launches.
You recall correctly. I fly Mode 2 and don;t have anything to hand launch yet Frown


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#24

Thanks again gentlemen - all good stuff.
OK Kieran and Gazz - you have me convinced, it's an underarm lob with the right amount of throttle!

Unfortunately, not one of those things that current versions of Phoenix can let me test out beforehand Wink

Steve Murray
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#25

Steve I have successfully under hand launched the stang
when it was stock standard.
As Gary says, it's all in the throttle position.
My problems with the mustang are all related to upgrading the
motor plus glassing the entire plane which of course changed the
wing loading etc. I believe that you will have no problem launching your
plane with an underhand throw while it is still stock.

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#26

It was another perfect day for flying down at McCoy Airfield today - no breeze and clear skies.

There was a bit of entertainment late morning when Mandom from the Penrith Club turned up and he and Owen flew their Trojans around together with some really slick formation work. Both aircraft had uprated Turnigy 3536C motors, with retracts in the case of Mandom's plane. It looked great from the ground, especially as they were closely matched speed-wise so that as they turned together at the eastern end of the field and made high-speed low passes along the runway, they stayed together.
Later on they both flew F4F Wildcats with streamers attached for some combat. This looked really good too, and there was a phenomenal amount of G's pulled in a constantly twisting, looping dogfight. At the end of the flight Mandom took honours with a kill - just at the point that we thought it was going to end in a draw. Unfortunately there was a little damage to his plane (easily repaired) as Owen landed on top of him on the strip.
Dave turned up and exercised the Logo, which was very impressive again with the sound reverberating off the buildings behind us.
Lots of flying done by others ... KevB, Chris, Ingo, Russell, Gazz, Claudio, Ron and apologies to anyone I've missed.

The weather really was made-to-measure - wish we could have it like that every weekend!

P.S. Forgot to mention - Dave was lamenting the fact that most of the warbirds in the club currently are American, and thought that a little balance should be established with some German or Japanese machines. I can re-assure him that the balance will be addressed very soon. On the radar I know of at least two Bf-109s and an FW-190 which are closing fast.

Steve Murray
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#27

Well, those that flew today would agree that is was a superb day. A light breeze with a deep blue sky to fly around in.

I wont go through the names of people that flew today as it was a long list. Considering the flying equipment assembled and the crowded skies, there were surprisingly few incidents. Highlight of the morning was the high speed buzz saw runs by Gazz, SteveB and Kieran. Mick doppler'd you guys with his iPhone app and reckons only 122kph (take it up with app writer !). I think SteveB was the unofficial winner on account of being the only one of the three to land correctly. One plane didn't even land on the ground at all and had to be fished out of a tree in Collinsville, the other collected mud up its nose from the lawn dart landing.

The good samaritan award today goes to Joe a.k.a. "Mister Twister" (budding new member come June/July) who returned to the field last Monday to see if that guy from PEMACs plane had fallen from the power lines. He timed his visit perfectly as it fell down while he was there (half of it) and the other half fell down later after a phone call from the council grass cutter. The PEMAC pilot was absolutely ecstatic to learn he could collect from Joe his motor/prop, 60A ESC, AR7100 and Satellite. ChrisM and I estimate around $180-$200 recovered. The Lipo and the plane itself were recovered but sadly, bean bag filling only. Onya Joe Thumbup .

About 1pm, a fellow enthusiast (sorry I didn't get your name) showed me his brand new "never been out of the box" Blade mCPx flybarless heli. I was invited to fly it. Mick set the heli up on his DX7 (it was a spektrum BNF heli - no good on my Fooootaba TF8G). Mind you, Mick says "I've never set up a heli before". From box to radio config to flying took about 5 minutes. Easy peazy. What a little ripper (literally ... "little" that is!). I had it zooming around without any tinkering with settings at all. Surprised me no end. For anyone wanting a zippy performance heli for home, office or, as I proved, flying park this heli was so cool and so easy to get set up!! I was offered a second flight with a second battery. Took that up in a blink (more fun). A few of the guys watching, I think, were very surprised. We didn't set it up for stunt mode so inverted hovering and loops didn't quite work -- but I reckon I can make it do them! (please bring it back one day to see?). Thanks Mick for the radio configuration "while you wait". As you can see from my jibbering on, size doesn't matter! (but go FBL control Thumbup ). Thanks also to the heli's owner. He seemed mighty impressed with his decision to buy this helicopter after seeing it exceed his expectations. My advice to anyone wanting to get a micro (nano?) heli, don't get a co-axial, get one of these Smile .

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#28

Now Dave, THAT is one way to hand launch a heli! Smile Smile

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#29

(15-05-2011, 05:15 PM)brotherblonde Wrote:  Now Dave, THAT is one way to hand launch a heli! Smile Smile

Just like the TV advertisement, BB: "It slices... it dices... and it juliennes!".
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#30

I too was more than impressed. A "micro flybarless heli with gyro" that was flying thanks to Dave with the finess and stability of a much, much larger heli. If any body is thinking about getting into helis and is concerned about the cost. Buy yourself one of these little suckers. They go off like a brides nightie.
Gazzzaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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