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Servo Info
#1

When building my planes I always have a bit of struggle with deciding which servo to use, so I thought I would start this thread so that we could all share our thoughts and knowledge on the issue.

With my current project an E-flite AT6 Texan, I stuggled even more than usual as this is my first model that I have built which has flaps and retracts, plus an unusal dual setup using 2 servos for the elevator.

To add to my dilema we had a couple of aircraft recently meet with disaster at the flying field as a result of servo issues and this was playing on my mind. One was stripped plastic gears resulting in the loss elevator control and another was cut servo wires. Both resulting in a total loss of the aircraft, this served as a big reminder how important these little items are.

With the Texan having 9 servos, ailerons 2, flaps 2, retracts 2, elevator 2 & rudder 1 this necessitaed the use of a separate UBEC as I have learnt from my researching that an ESC with an internal BEC may have a stated BEC current rating of 2.5A or 3A but this is not to be trusted.

As a rule of thumb an aircraft using 4 or more full size servos should have a separate UBEC. If you are using a micro or minature servos, these draw less current therefore the above rule needs to adjusted accordingly. Another thing to remember is that digitals use more current than analogue for a servo of the same size.

Given the number of servos I need and the all up flying weight of my plane in mind I didn't want to go for the overkill when selecting the appropriate servos. My retracts are H/King electrics so that decision was taken care of. The build manual called for a minature servo of 17g in weight, a torque of 2.5kg-cm and a speed of 0.17sec/60deg @ 6V. I was torn between using metal gear and plastic gear with the events at the field recently, metal maybe reliable but are not as smooth as plastic and the backlash is greater with metal. Also a metal servo with the required torque and speed are much heavier than the plastic geared servos. In the end I compromised: ailerons, flaps & rudder using plastic (Hitec HS-81 analogue) and elevator using metal (Corona/HK DS-929MG digital), both are within the weight spec but the metals have a lower torque at 2.2kg-cm but I felt this was OK as there are two servos on the elevator instead of the usual one.

Now that the servos were selected I had one more thing to sort out - the 2 servos controlling the elevator (one for the port side and the other for the starboard) requires one of them to rotate in the reverse direction. This requires either rewiring the servo internally (see the YouTube clip below) or the purchasing of a servo reversing lead, both of these options are not so straight forward as the rewiring of a small servo requires some skill and the reversing lead is not readily available from the LHS. I intend on attempting to rewire the servo with some help from a person experienced at soldering small components as the servo cost $6 and a reversing lead costs $26 if available plus it adds weight. I am assuming that rewiring a digital servo can be done similar to the analogue ones only time will tell.

Some usefull web sites I found are below:

General servo specs 7 info
http://www.servodatabase.com/
http://fatlion.com/sailplanes/servos.html

Reversing of servos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_FdRTenl0

Happy Flying
Chris M
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#2

Chris,

Unfortunately, digital servos can't be reversed as simply as analog servos. However, they can be re-programmed!!!
Check descriptions of some HiTec other products:
http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=107409

Drew

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Katana X lite (in construction)   UM SU-26              12"WS Shoestring (Plantraco)
                                  HK Extra 260
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#3

Kellets sell a servo reversing lead for $20 or $30. Just plug it in line & off you go.

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#4

Hi Drew/Andrew,
Thanks guys for the info. I must say that I am a little disappointed that digital servos can not be reversed by rewiring, this means that I will probably have to source the reversing lead - damm it.

As far as programming the servo goes I have seen snipitts on the web about this and I spoke to LHS (Ultimate) on it also. The LHS said that very high end servos can be reprogrammed but they felt that at lower end that can not. So what does it mean when the product is called a Programmable Digital Servo?
Has anyone had any experience in this area & does anyone have a programming device/interface?

The servo that I need to reverse is as below

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store...oduct=6314

Cheers
Chris M
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#5

(19-03-2011, 09:45 AM)Drew Wrote:  Unfortunately, digital servos can't be reversed as simply as analog servos.

Hmm, I wonder why not? I guess they're going to have an ordinary brushed DC motor with the attendant wiper in most cases, just like the analogue ones.

Update: Curious, according to this chap, it is no different for a digital servo ...
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_220861...tm#2209134
I don't know though, perhaps it wouldn't hurt to try it out on a cheap digital servo sample.

Steve Murray
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#6

I'm happy to do the soldering if you have a sacrificial offering.
Another thought - does anyone have a digital servo with stripped plastic gears they woulsn't mind to donat ratherthan (possibly) killing a perfectly good servo?

Drew

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Built-up
Balsa:                            Commercial:           Depron:
Great Planes PT-20 (modified)     HK Hawk 80            Index 3
Indoor Thingy                     Skyartec Cessna 182  
Katana X lite (in construction)   UM SU-26              12"WS Shoestring (Plantraco)
                                  HK Extra 260
and a Fox chuck glider converted to RC
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#7

Darren has a servo programmer for Hitec's
Might be worth sticking a 929 into it and see if there is any sort of programming standard that they stick to.
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#8

Hi Guys,
I am willing to sacrifice a servo to see if rewiring works and at the same time I will approach Darren to see if the Corona/HK DS-929MG can be programmed.
Will keep you posted.

Cheers
Chris M
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#9

Chris see the private board.

Drew

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Built-up
Balsa:                            Commercial:           Depron:
Great Planes PT-20 (modified)     HK Hawk 80            Index 3
Indoor Thingy                     Skyartec Cessna 182  
Katana X lite (in construction)   UM SU-26              12"WS Shoestring (Plantraco)
                                  HK Extra 260
and a Fox chuck glider converted to RC
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(19-03-2011, 02:53 PM)chrism Wrote:  Hi Drew/Andrew,
Thanks guys for the info. I must say that I am a little disappointed that digital servos can not be reversed by rewiring, this means that I will probably have to source the reversing lead - damm it.

As far as programming the servo goes I have seen snipitts on the web about this and I spoke to LHS (Ultimate) on it also. The LHS said that very high end servos can be reprogrammed but they felt that at lower end that can not. So what does it mean when the product is called a Programmable Digital Servo?
Has anyone had any experience in this area & does anyone have a programming device/interface?

The servo that I need to reverse is as below

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store...oduct=6314

Cheers
Chris M

The Hitec HS 5085 MG can be programmed acording to the instructions that come with it, I've not tried it tho'

You can get them from here for about $30 each including postage

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/hitec-hs-50...rque-20096

They are a pretty good servo lots of torque for their size and metal gears, they are reasonably fast as well

Did I also mention that they are LIGHT and small too Smile


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#11

Hi Guys,
I found this clip showing how easy it is to do with a Hitec programmer and servo. Perhaps this programmer can be used with other brand servos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9TcBPz-7Ec

Cheers
Chris M
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#12

I took the Corona DS-929MG servo to work and removed the bottom cover, swapped the wires soldered onto the motor and the Red/Black wires from the pot at the PCB. One thing that had to be done which didn't expect was to insulate the bare rigid wires to the motor as they now cross over one another.

Bench tested the dual servo elevator in the plane, both halves of the elevator now run together rather than opposing each, the sub-trim functions correctly as does the trim adjacent to the sticks.

Well it worked! Yippee!
So now we know, you can reverse these digital servos by rewiring.

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#13

Coincidence or maybe there checking out the forums but Hobby king have What ya need now Cris, i/m getting one as they may come in handy for future projects.

Lol It seems Hobby king always bring out stuff and planes that earlier we are looking or talking about.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store...duct=17033

   

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#14

Steve,
That's incredible I checked H/King first and drew a blank on servo reversing then Ingo put me onto a servo speed and direction regulator which I was considering if rewiring the servo failed.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store...oduct=8863

   

BTW the price that Model Flight etc. want for this type of lead is around $25 so US$2 plus postage is great.

Chris M Smile
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