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Ultimate 3D aerobatics trainer - greggold - 03-10-2023

I am not a fan of RC simulators, and prefer whatever RC time I get to be expended at the field. However I have dabbled with flight sims (on a mac only a limited range of sims are available, the one I have is AeroflyRC9) and one of my favorite models is a indoor F3P aerobatic model called Elanor. Its the best aerobatic trainer you can imagine, allowing the pilot sufficient time to apply correct controls for each manoeuvre. You fly in a different flight regime where the balance of gravity and drag are altered. 

Yesterday at McCoy I saw an Elanor-type model in action, it is an original design, built and flown by Steve. Its a brilliant plane.

Here is an original Elanor in action in 2014. It has 2 counter-rotating props.     
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHP5JF3k1bw

Here are various F3P vids:
https://www.pauzuolis-rc.com/events-list/f3p-lithuanian-open-championship-2019-in-alytus
(you have to scroll down to locate the videos)

In  RC Groups there are threads and a forum for indoor aerobatic models, with posts mostly consisting of people searching for suitable parts.

Fortunately there are now practical F3P kits by RCFactory on sale:

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3467257-TwistedHobbys-RCFactory-Clik-21-THE-NEW-VERSATILE-CLIK

https://www.rc-factory.eu/letadla/indoor-series/clik-r2-superlite-red-2

The kit price is Euro 73. If you buy it with the full equipment set it costs Euro 155. I have a superlite rc-factory model which I found took longer than an average RCFactory foamie to build, but its not more difficult. I fly it in a local oval at sunrise.  I found I did not need to buy the equipment set, as you can source your own suitable servos, motor, prop etc. In Australia Micronwings is a good source of small rc parts, eg 3gm servos:
https://micronwings.com/product/servo-emax-es9251-3gram-digital/

Note you can fly indoor models outside, if you get up early enough when conditions are still calm, and you can fly them in a backyard or anywhere.

RE: Ultimate 3D aerobatics trainer - srl - 25-11-2023

Hi Greg
The last few months I've been working on my carbon fibre props and contra motor for my next Depron Index. Just small design imrprovements but they all add up.
I'm now planning the next build.
    -85g RTF with 150g trust from a contra 1811 motor.
    -matek ELRS with battery votage.
Below was my last 78g index.

srl

RE: Ultimate 3D aerobatics trainer - greggold - 27-11-2023

(25-11-2023, 01:32 PM)srl Wrote:  Hi Greg
The last few months I've been working on my carbon fibre props and contra motor for my next Depron Index. Just small design imrprovements but they all add up.
I'm now planning the next build.
    -85g RTF with 150g trust from a contra 1811 motor.
    -matek ELRS with battery votage.
Below was my last 78g index.

srl

I love design of the index. I havn't seen you recently with it at the field, have you found an indoor venue to fly it?  I am contemplating buying a Clik21 from Aussieaeroworks, and if I do I will try the equipment set including the Volta D6M servos and the T - MOTOR AT2202/1620. From the available videos, I think the Clik (and other new superlite planes from rc-factory and twisted hobbies) come close in F3P performance to the elanor, even though they come out a little heavier and do not have a counter-rotating propellor, or even a carbon prop, just a basic GWS plastic 8x4.

I bought a Causemann superlite-indoor plane kit to give it a try, but the kit consists only of white epp pieces and nothing is prefabricated. As a build it may be too time-consuming for me, I am not up to scratch building and I am very impressed with your index.

I have starting using a radiomaster er4 rx on my superlite planes with good results, I prefer 2 aileron servos over one in the centre, and I use a Y lead as there are only 4 servo slots. I get the rx voltage but not lipo voltage on telemetry. The er4 is light and a good shape. er4s are available at Fpvfaster at Lidcombe.